ART OF LIFE
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CHAPTER 5 |
Art of Life
"Journey to the heart, forever pouring their blood" ... And it will never end "Art of Life" So far I have tried everything turns into beauty, and only here showed hatred as it is And: Why Yoshiki had to write "Art of Life"? Gradually we come to the main topic of this book. Q: Well, yes ... Q: It seems that this dream will be music, though it is not yet finished. Q: Yes, this year (1992) I'll be sure to work on the record. Although now there are negotiations on the conclusion of the contract, we are looking for a new bass player, is preparing to advance into the US market. But despite the fact that I am very busy, I will finish it. Q: But when born "Art of Life"? Q: It all started with the fact that I lost consciousness during a concert in Shibuya (22 November 1989, after which all the concerts this year were canceled - approx.'s). At this time, I wrote that part, which was the main melody, and I thought what was good ballad. Q: So initially it should be a ballad? Q: Yes, I thought so. Then he gave a listen to our director and said it was a ballad. But then he thought to himself: "No, it's not a ballad." I messed around with it and thinking that will suite. However, as the work it became clear that for the suite it is too long. I wrote only half, and it has far exceeded 10 minutes. Very strange, I thought. At this time I started to write the lyrics. And I realized that it turns out that something big and deep. At that time, I often went to a dead end, thinking about my past life was returning to her parents' house and suddenly realized: "This Art of Life!» .... That's all! (laugh). Q: And why be embarrassed? (laugh). So, it all started with the melody. Q: Yes. Q: When you were writing it, it thought that this musical melody will express your life? Q: Probably, the main melody is completely awakened it all. I remembered the feelings that possessed me when I was just starting to create a group and tried to put them on the melody. And it was the first entry before come into play drums. It feels like, "What to do now?" (Laughter). And when the drums come, it all starts. And though this composition is long, the rhythm is very fast, because the speed of my life is very high. Since there is a dramatic development, then I wanted to start from the middle and even the slow pace, but the director said, "Since this is Art of Life, something that will not do." And gradually slow pace disappeared. We need really to race at full speed! Well, what, then flee! (laugh). I: Three times repeated the melody with a bright and fast pace of life, and then it seems that Yoshiki abruptly stops and thinks. Q: Yes, that's when I fell unconscious and then could not move. For me, the worst part - it is the second part of the piano, when the melody begins to stray. Once again it becomes normal, but then turns into a completely crazy. That is, once returned to her, I do not stop in the normal state, and completely losing my mind. It is disharmonious sounds like a face harmonious. Then come the strings, the violin, which, like a common love surround this madness. And then comes the whole orchestra. And then the conflict surrounding love collides with the inner chaos, and at the last moment everything goes back to normal the main melody. Again, run! (laugh) Q: After all these grand vicissitudes - again running. Q: Yes. First, the piano sounded sad, and to break up this sadness, needed an abyss of madness. And at first I thought this was over. But if you stop here, it would be really scary. No, I must go back, I thought. And so once again I added the tune of "return to normal". And: Finished chaos - there is no salvation. Q: (laughs) Yeah, yeah. And: "Art of Life" was written before the songs from the album "JEALOUSY"? Q: Yes, "Art of Life" I have written before. Q: When I listened to the "Art of Life", I thought that it had a very big influence on the songs from the album. Simply amazing. TH: Yes, some of the songs were written at the same time, so yes, the effect really is. Q: Especially "Silent Jealousy" - the composition and development are very similar, though it is a shortened version of "Art of Life". "Say Anything" is very similar to the part, after which chaos begins, "Es-dur no Piano sen" - like an excerpt from the part where there is a crazy game on the piano. TH: Yes, really close. Q: So, sounds of life woven Yoshiki was reflected in the music, which can not be told in words. This was the theme and lyrics? Q: When I write music, I wanted to find the right within the meaning of the word. Until now, I often wrote Fancy something that has no relation to reality, but here it was impossible. So far I have tried to avoid the ugly things, tried whatever to do beautiful. Even about his illness and everything else referred to as the beauty. But now I wanted to show not only the beauty, but also hatred. That is why this time it came out very shrill as ever so far. Q: In fact, jealousy is hardly a beautiful feeling. Here, too, felt the same direction. Q: Yes. Q: In a previous book, you gave an interview about his life, but then offered to stop, because it was for you too much shock. Something has changed since that time? Before, you did not talk about himself, but can be influenced by the creation of "Art of Life" something has changed? Q: I'm not a critic, and I do not understand what basis. If the song is written music, it does not matter how it happened, I just want to understand the music that exists now. So is the music, which creates a very charming actors, but I did not hear nothing in it, it is not embedded feelings, and this is very bad, such discs can be discarded. And whatever difficulties preceded the creation of the music, but that is - it's the music that exists now. This is my philosophy. If an artist can not work now because something happened in the past, it is not an artist. Therefore this basis only hinders annoys me when they start to say, "This man happened to so-and-so, and so he wrote this music." I would like to perceive the music directly. Q: But when you listen to music, then the question arises: "Why is there such a word as to why such music?" And involuntarily turn to the past. Most people listen to so. Q: As I said, the past can be anything, all that exists - it is now ... But I think that no one will disagree with me (laughs) Q: But in "Art of Life" reflected but not the specific facts of life, but the movements of the soul Yoshiki, including the lyrics. Why there was such a change? Q: In the verses I can not run away from yourself. Earlier I asked a question about the people: "Why can not you be free?" This time, I ask myself a lot of questions, inquiring, torturing himself. In addition, there is a thought suddenly reflected that I had not used. For example, why there are wars? I am absolutely not involved in politics, but those are things that I really wonder is also reflected here, such as "Why do people kill each other?" And try to understand it more deeply and widely than ever before now. Q: That is a very big and deep appeal to his inner world, committed with the same immediacy with which your children ask endless questions. "Why are so deeply into yourself?" - And this, too, showed the importance of "Art of Life". Q: M-mm ... While I was writing, I confused and even once drew a plan And: It is difficult all this. When I try to trace the details of the hero "Art of Life", understand that the lyrics reflected own history, it causes pain, it is very much felt in the atmosphere of poetry. Q: First, he gradually immersed in imagination the suffering creates walls. Then ... it's been a long time, I do not remember (laughs). First of all, it all starts with a meeting of the suffering "I" and of the "I" who was watching him from the side. Then the question is why you need to look yourself in the process of seeking to obtain a wound. But when all this happened, no way back, and this life is not the way. "If all this is a dream - wake me up when reality - kill!" Sounds good! And: most like? (laugh) Q: This is only an introduction. That I, which is immersed in the fantasy of the suffering, gradually creates a wall. Everything that happens to him, he perceives the negative and at high speed moves to the negative. Over time, all genuine feelings and emotions he disappeared. And: You're there anything true, that's the question. Q: I guess the most appropriate - is the one who appears in an interview for this book (laughs). And in the suffering and striving for the negative "I" there is the negative "I", which prompts him to destroy everything. Once everything is so bad, you need to destroy everything. Q: In other words, there is a "dark Yoshiki." Q: Yes. We must destroy everything without stopping midway, all broken. Because the suffering of the "I" was born completely mad "I". Q: What has this crazy Yoshiki incites suffering. Q: Yes, exactly. And when it gets really dangerous, it appears calm "I", which starts watching them both. This "I" is quite striking. But now I want a little bit away from the topic. When I wrote the lyrics, it was a war. And I happened to read Hitler's book. And such people are born equal, but in India the difference between rich and poor is very high. People who are hungry, roughly speaking, to the poor, do anything to get money. And parents are cut specifically for infants hand, as if the body is healthy, then do not get alms. The conclusion is that although all are born equal, but we do not have such difficulties.And I deeply pondered why this is so. And immediately I came up with the idea: "Why do people kill each other?" Normally I always wrote himself, although it was not the tragic story, but in the lyrics of "Art of Life" really invested a variety of thoughts. And: "Art of Life" is relevant to all people. Q: Yes, I myself am not very interested in this and other anti-nuclear movement. But this phrase has a deeper meaning: «Stab the dolls filled with hate / Wash yourself with their blood». Here, too, the image seems old German dictator. This section contains a protest against absolutism and dictatorship. Q: But does this verse does not appear, and the "I" - a fascist? Q: Yes, but I told him to resist. In these words: «Drive into the raging current of time / swing your murderous weapon into the belly» the word "womb" has the meaning "Earth." For me, this word has a deeper meaning than just the Earth. But this is not an expression of Kate Bush, although she is worried about her. Q: Because it is the cradle of humanity. And: Yes, I like this phrase: «Shout and start creating confusion / Shed your blood for pleasure / And what? for love? (In an effort to chaos, woefully shout, striving for pleasure, to shed blood, and then strive to love ...) "And in that moment, as I said these words once thought, and what to do in an effort to love? I had to think about. And: Constantly making a circle, you come to a dead end? Q: Yes. I once even drew a plan! While writing poetry, he confused me so often. "What is it coming out?" (Laughter) Q: (laughs) Actually, Art of Life. Q: Yes. But when there is a mad "I" push to destruction, this time he began to call for the destruction of hatred, the destruction of the dirt of the world. Gradually appears and objective 'I'. And the chorus - it's basically words that belong to the objective 'I' and he begins to speak: "I want to continue to live."Gradually there is a division. But here comes another one. And: Ha ha ha! Q: Is it true! Q: When I read this, I thought that the most clearly opposed to "I", which seeks to death, and that "I" that wants to continue to live. Q: Yes. One negative, the other wants to live, but it is moving towards chaos. "What will happen now?" And in this situation, there is another "I" and says that which is in chaos, "You are such and such."Although at this moment there are three different "I", all of them can be seen from the same point. That is, in the end, it's still the same person. Q: That is, you can understand that it is he who controls everything and says, "In fact, in spite of all the division, you - a single man!" Q: Maybe .. Maybe that 'I' can be called in one word - a coward. "What is madness? What is cruelty?What is chaos? "Then:« You can not draw a picture of yesterday, so / You're painting your heart with your blood (not draw a picture of yesterday, a clean sheet stained with blood from the heart). " «You can not say" No "/ Only turning the wheel of time / with a rope around your neck». In the end, you shall be over. «You build a wall of morality and take a breath / from between the bricks / You make up imaginary enemies and are chased by them / You're trying to commit suicide». That's what happens. But here's the part - that's another: «You're satisfied with your prologue / Now you't painting your first chapter black». I say this to people who are treated with disdain. And: Because myself in complete chaos. Q: And in the chaos itself. "You are putting the scraps of life together / and trying to make an asylum for yourself» - this is not me talking. «You're hitting a bell at the edge of the stage», - this is not, I say. But at this moment: «You are trying to kill me», - there is another I, and this time the objective is the "I" and became Yoshiki. Eventually, in the desire to commit suicide are gradually split personality more, and they are slowly killing me. And in the end everything comes to the fact that "you're killing me." Q: In other words, the more there is a splitting of personality, the greater is cornered authentic self. Q: No, even deeper. After all, the "you" that is killing me, in terms of the objective "I", which looks at everything from the outside, it is just another "me." And then the fight begins! But at this moment he, too, there are fantasies about suffering. And: Do objective "I"? Q: Yes. After all, in the beginning there was one objective "I"? but when he fell into chaos, it will be even more "I", which was viewed from the side. Again, it takes a hostile position. Q: That is, he and the other could look objectively, but in the end find themselves caught up in the chaos? Q: Yes, they are drawn into the chaos. And in the end, too, cease to understand something. But when the chaos begins, he meets Rose. And although he does not understand yet, but above all feel the heartbeat, because the nature of audible breath flowers. And then he sees the value of life. Coming into contact with nature, in a simple, no dirt. Q: Which has nothing to do with the chaos? Q: Yes, that's why I'm breathing, my heart is beating so. That's why I can still live. "I still can not kill himself, because while I can feel the breath of rose." But if you give a definition of "Art of Life", it is primarily the "Journey of the heart, forever pouring their blood." And it will never end. Q: So, although there comes chaos, but there is no fracture, right? Q: Yes. It took me a long time to write the lyrics, two or three months. I am absolutely not compromised! Although I was very upset, but I bowed and apologized. But it was very annoying Q: Again, I want to ask why you need so much to dive into yourself? Q: I do not know if I'm right, or rather, I drop all of the standards, it is now so I do not know what is right. And until the last moment, I do not know what is right. But gradually, starting from the different parties to ask the question: "Are you not mistaken?" Gradually creates different "I" and asking this question, extending the conflict. And: It turns out that the "Art of Life" - a song about a grand conflict with itself? That is, for Yoshiki most incomprehensible in the world - is he? Q: Yes, I do not know anything, including himself. If you think about it, in fact, even after reading this book, it is impossible to understand the meaning of life - why a person was born, why he lives. And: It bothered you for a long time? Q: Yes, I thought about it. Earlier during the exams all came to the temple and kicking Torii, returned."If you pass the exam, it is well, if not - and did not want to." And I thought it was a weakness. And: This applies to any business. Q: I think that if a person is strong, it is no one else to shift the responsibility. Q: So, it is natural to turn to Me. Q: Yes, I have no standards for anything. I do not know what the standards are. Q: That is, if you think about it for yourself too? Q: Yes, yes. Of course, this is not a complete folly. The average value in a certain sense is a good thing, but if you give it too much importance, then do not take one forward. And: If you think: "What am I?", Especially in the case of Yoshiki, when in an interview he expressed contradictory opinions about the same, it turns out that when you have to talk about yourself, you need to create a different "I". When did you start to realize that there are some within the different personalities? Q: When .... Q: But do not they come when you need to justify yourself? Q: When a quarrel with a man, then there is a conflict, how to respond, how to resist. For example, if we talk about artists, among them there are many who stands above the others. And though some people think that the higher the standing of other people, the more freedom, it is not true. This is especially true of artists. Because now I have to think about the responsibility. For example, on the impact that can have my actions. The greater the success, the quietly growing and responsibility, and as the power of influence becomes the other, you need to think about his words. For example, recently I drank at Roppongi, and totally unfamiliar type, like a salaryman, latched on to me, "Yoshiki Yoshiki of X".Normally, I would have jumped at once: "What a fool?" At first, I did, but then I thought, and did not communicate with him. Indeed, in such moments, alcohol hits to the head and the body reacts instinctively. And it began: "Call the police!" Two years ago I would have cried: "Well, and cause!", But now the thought: "Danger! Tomorrow in the sports newspaper will write about the band ... "(laughter). I thought that there will be trouble, might cancel the show, and although I was very sad, I bowed and apologized. "Excuse me, please, do not call the police!" Although it was badly hurt ... But there is a responsibility, and if you do not realize it, do not take one up. Of course, I do not live in order to move up, but now I keep a person to interact with the record company. Besides it is necessary to preserve the dignity of the artist, so some things must be discarded. Q: Oh, Yoshiki changed! Q: Change, or rather, I was forced to change. However, if two or three times, I would not have survived, I broke (laughs). Because it was very disappointing. And: It is precisely because there is such a responsibility, we have to turn to their inner side, is not it? Q: Yes. Q: And it's no wonder the most? I am after bowing apologized, did not want to ask himself: "How could I?" Q: After that, I thought several times: "I guess I was wrong." Q: So it was unusual behavior? Q: But it was necessary, once I realized that all I want to do is music, and it's right in the head, otherwise I would not be able to deal with it. Q: But you yourself realize that changed? Q: I've always been a man of wide soul (laughter). And: It's all a lie! (laugh) Q: Ha ha ha! Q: A year ago, you probably would have broke his arm this salarimenu (laughter). Q: (laughter). I recently participated in the transfer of «Pre-stage» and talked with the man whose name in professional baseball, but he saw me and refused to want to be a drummer. That is, from the position I have an influence on the fate of the people. And although it does not mean you have to limit yourself or live in peace, but we can not allow the shameful acts discrediting the honor. And: Responsibility ... Q: But the sense of responsibility came to me earlier. When there was a group X, and I became its leader. I have felt responsible. Q: But the object of this responsibility are not only ordinary strangers encountered, it is constantly growing. After all, the scale of X are rising. This realization becomes whether, on the contrary, a heavy load? Q: But this is the path that I chose myself. If I do not like, and you can get away with it (laughs). Q: But I think that if the situation changes, and Yoshiki will change too. Himself not you think? Q: Yes, Yoshiki strategist says so, too (laughs). I just want to be free as a musician. This is the most important thing for me. I want to write really good music, and for that I want to be free. And to achieve this, it is necessary to deal with a lot. And when I think about it, think about where I was going, the many small things seem unimportant, and you can worship, and anything. All that being true. And: "Be true." Easy to say, but in fact this is the most difficult. Q: Yes, it is. And there are many things I want to do, for example, this idea, and some of them seem to be meaningless, and sometimes some people may think, "He's just playing the fool in music," but maybe I do want to care I thought so. I want it through music, people realized: "He tends to present music" and "What he really wants - is music," otherwise there will be no point. And let me look sternly, and I'm still going to do a lot for this, but I want to win music. These feelings will not lose to anyone. I want the "Art of Life" always after listening "JEALOUSY". And perhaps for the first time in front of tears And: If we talk about the logical connection, the "Art of Life" appeared at a very appropriate time, and the content of it is full of symbolism. Q: But for me it has become the past, I have always so. Q: (laughs) I remember that I was listening to a demo version of the summer of the year before last (90 years). Q: Yes (laughs). Q: And the drums separately heard last summer. Q: Yes. Q: It has been quite a long period of time, and now there is not any such idea: "Maybe a little to alter the music?" Or "Now I think differently?" Q: No, because I try not to listen to it too much, or want to make a different arrangement. Sometimes, I listen and think: "Still good!" But in fact, if I wrote "Art of Life" now, that content would be slightly different. But at that time I was able to express myself really well. Long work, but nothing more (laughter). Q: In fact, the product of a high level. After all, whoever wrote this great work, usually it becomes boring to listen to. Or addicted to experiments or paying too much attention to detail, creating very complex structure. And Yoshiki has a melody that affects certain. I've never heard of such unusual melody penetrated completely such a long piece of music (laughs). Q: (laughter). And: "For what man lives?" - This is the main question. And, although in the end the answer is not given, but the "Art of Life" reflects the search for that answer. Frankly speaking, this is true? Q: Yes, it is. Q: We already had a conversation that the album "JEALOUSY" is a sort of offshoot of "Art of Life", and this is reflected in the poems. For example, the average of the "Silent Jealousy", the end of "Say Anything" - here it is simply striking. I think I am not mistaken. Q: If you turn and past albums, it may be, will become apparent to some points in my lyrics, for example, why in the end "Say Anything" such words, why such a structure at the "Silent Jealousy". Q: In the beginning, listening to "Es-dur no sen", touches the heart strings, and then opens the album story "Silent Jealousy". Q: Yes, it's a story - as if to say to the man who in front of you. Or read the letter. «I just wanted to stay with you / I just wanted to feel your breath of grace». «I did not know what to do / I could not say anything». And then the moment. But when awaken ... «Everything had been washed away / by the tide of time, even you». «But the scars of memory never fade away». And so you feel: «Stop my loving / Kill my memories», in other words, "kill the memories!" And: At first it seems that this is a typical love song, but the words "for a time" completely change the meaning of raising the topic of nothingness itself. Apparently, this is one of those "I" that appear in the "Art of Life". Q: How can I put it ... There is a beautiful world, and suddenly it rushes chaos. In fact, I wanted to do more chaos, but he was able to pull myself under control. And the sound ... the chaos begins to sound the phrase on the piano, right? I really love it. It is, development of the theme here has a close resemblance to the "Art of Life". But as the piano sounds with the double drum, it's amazing, is not it? And: Indeed. It seems that it's a beautiful version of "Art of Life". Q: Yes, probably. Q: So it is in "Say Anything" ... Q: The "Say Anything" for a time completely changed. «I believed / If time passes, everything / turns into beauty». «Everything starts wearing fresh colors / Every sound begins playing / a heartfelt melody».«Jealousy embelishes a page of the epic». «But my mind is still in chaos and ...» and ends here. And yes. This is really an introduction, an invitation to the "Art of Life2. And while" Say Anything "closes the album, chaos in the heart remains. Still in a state of confusion. And in this sense, is" Art of Life "is not completed, and the album" JEALOUSY " not completed. Q: Yes, it is. If you think about it, of course, I wanted to "Art of Life" is also included in this album, and again, I understand that. So I really want to, after listening to the album, people are sure to hear "Art of Life". And if the impression of the album continue in this way, perhaps, the first time the tears came to our eyes. If you listen only "Art of Life", the shock may occur. I think that listening without preparation can be scary. But if "JEALOUSY" touch the hearts of people, the "Art of Life" will capture them completely. Because it's music, can capture the hearts of men. It ends abruptly, as if extinguished. This is nothing more than the first chapter of "Art of Life" And: If you think, "Art of Life" - a balance impasse or circling. Although the hero escaped from the crowd and saw the answers, but it's not tomorrow. Q: Yes, it is. Q: I think that a huge influence on the creation of the composition, including the lyrics, have thoughts, questions yourself after you lost consciousness Shibua Kokaido. Q: Yes, a great impact. And: "The aesthetics of a moment" when defeated. Although you then and said: "If I continue in the same way in a year may become invalid. But this aesthetic I want to bring to the end. " But then you could not drum. Q: Yes, if I had a really bitter thoughts. And only overcome them, I was able to see what lies ahead. And Interview of the time made a strong impression on me. You talked a great disappointment, "And I suppose he died, continuing to bang on the limit forces. I want to bang, but I can not move, but I continue to live. Why am I not dead! "As I see it, to get out of this state, it took a lot of time and effort. Q: Yes, this is the time I wrote the main melody. Yes, it is the moment when I published it, I lost consciousness three times - and even in LA and in Yokohama. Q: And what solution you found during the period of questions and answers to yourself? Q: Just to grow! (laughs) If I fall 120 percent, then we must give 150 percent! (laugh) And: Here's how! However, this method may have different consequences. But after all this, it seems to me, Yoshiki has not adhered "aesthetic moment", because we recently spoke about the responsibility of, and what force is applied Yoshiki strategist for the present work. Is this somewhat contradicts all "aesthetic moment"? Q: Yes, it's somewhat different. But the "aesthetic moment" does not disappear. Q: But is not there again the "I", which was supposed to come to an end in accordance with the aesthetics of this? After all, it is the conflict, which was born from the "Art of Life"? Q: But suddenly there was a melody, the music that completely destroys the current situation. Therefore aesthetic moments persists. And: Yoshiki tried until the end to bring the "aesthetics of the moment", but before you reach the last one, the final moment, nothing comes to an end, it is about the situation and said in the "Art of Life"? Q: Yes, yes. Q: But if we are talking about it would not be surprising if the "Art of Life" came not under the name X, but as a solo project. What do you think of it? Q: I hesitated. In the end, 98 percent of the arrangements I made one, so it would be possible and publish under his own name. So I thought, rather, there were moments when I thought so. Even now, I sometimes still hesitate: "Do I need to publish the" Art of Life "in the name of X?" But when I wrote it, first of all think that this is music for H. And: The whole composition is written for X, it is clear when you listen to it right now. Q: Yes, in a sense, that is. Although there are also unusual, original part, but in general, the composition is written for X and in the framework of X, so let it be. Q: On the other hand, if the hear the "Art of Life" under the name of Yoshiki, it would also be interesting, at least for me. Q: But, as I said, I finished writing it more than a year ago, so I'll have a little come to another place. Q: It would be interesting if every year there are changes "Art of Life". Q: Yes, so "Art of Life" - this is only the first chapter. If you listen to completion, it is possible to understand, does not end with the last note, and if cut off, right? As if suddenly disappears. And Yes, "Art of Life" is not finished yet, so to speak, "to be continued". Q: That's right. This is nothing more than the first chapter. But for me, even stopping place. And: Yes, I stop, but only in the process of movement. Q: Yes, it is. And: And above all, is finalizing a recording and published it soon! Q: This is what I'm going to do (laughs). |